RE: Diesel and WVO
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RE: Diesel and WVO - 1/28/2008 1:54:47 AM
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ForcedInduction
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ORIGINAL: boblo_home
I live in CA and hence a 1 tank conversion is OK. ...I do not even run the coolant through it as a second heat source.
Single tank "conversions" are not "OK" anywhere or any time of the year. It is abusing the engine plain and simple.
ANY and ALL "conversions" that have the engine starting on cold oil are a hack installation.
< Message edited by ForcedInduction -- 1/28/2008 1:55:34 AM >
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1980 240D 3.0VNT 222K Miles. OM617.95, GT2256V VNT turbo, 4-speed manual, 3.46 diff, 15mm rear swaybar, ALDA removed, no EGR and Amsoil by-pass oil filter. Currently 107HP and 195lb/ft of torque at the wheels.
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RE: Diesel and WVO - 1/28/2008 5:20:10 AM
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Zulucowboy
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Don't know about the decription about the installation, how many miles do you reckon the car will get before the engine fails. I am on a 1 tank system and have done over 30 000 miles, just curious how long before the big bang... have not noticed any smoke or strange engine noises... Orville and Wilbur knew they were going to crash a few planes, but they kept at it...With the ammount of money I have saved, I have recouped the cost of the car, repairs that I did to it, the conversion, making a nice filter station at home and every single cent I have spent on the whole thing. If it does conk out, will just pull the motor, flip it up side down, put new rings and bearings on, new head gasket, grind the valves and maybe a bit or two other things, or just look in the classifieds for another motor, and pop it in. I don't do motor shows with it, it just takes me where I want to go at the cheapest possible rate, and a bit slower than a Ferrari, but then when you sit in gridlock, the Ferrari goes just as fast....
My theory is that the first couple of revolutions with the motor firing, the injector is already pretty warm, so any oil in it will also be pretty warm. The heater that I use, gets warm within a minute of the car starting.
There are going to be people running 1 tank, just wonder what the negative effects are. My opinion is that if your glow plugs are good, and you change the oil every 5000 Km, you won't have a problem...
If it is injectors that are going to "break" after many thousands or miles, or the injector pump.
As for the collecting, filtering and putting in the car, that is not a hassle at all, happens very quickly, my oil stands for a few weeks in the sun, when I then filter it, it almost looks new. I only collect from places that only fry fries, and the oil is super clean to start with. Have never had a problem with the filter blocking(did in the beginning, 1st few hundred miles) but now the only time I open the bonnet is to show people the "conversion" that I have done, and to change the Oil every 5000 Km. Oh, and had to replace the glow plugs, have had the car 18 months and started to start more difficultly, so changed the GPs.
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RE: Diesel and WVO - 10/27/2008 11:39:06 PM
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ForcedInduction
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1980 240D 3.0VNT 222K Miles. OM617.95, GT2256V VNT turbo, 4-speed manual, 3.46 diff, 15mm rear swaybar, ALDA removed, no EGR and Amsoil by-pass oil filter. Currently 107HP and 195lb/ft of torque at the wheels.
www.youtube.com/Turbo617
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RE: Diesel and WVO - 10/31/2008 6:16:59 AM
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gf70sShow
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In other countries there are specific task forces in place to inspect and stop WVO users. There have been no documented cases of legal trouble in the US to date that I know of. Personally I find it interesting that the EPA will not approve WVO or SVO, just another government agency looking for some tax income I suppose. Makes me feel good that I can still ethically do one thing that is "bad."
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RE: Diesel and WVO - 10/31/2008 6:38:09 AM
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cycleboy
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If destroying a car, polluting the environment and not shouldering your share of the tax burden is "ethical", go for it, sunshine!
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RE: Diesel and WVO - 11/1/2008 2:52:53 AM
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ForcedInduction
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The EPA isn''t not approving anyone, nobody is willing to have their conversion/"fuel" certified and legalized because they know they can''t possibly pass emissions on waste veggie junk.
WVO and SVO contents and quality vary wildly case-by-case so its impossible to test let alone get approved. WVO/SVO is not a fuel, its a cooking aid.
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1980 240D 3.0VNT 222K Miles. OM617.95, GT2256V VNT turbo, 4-speed manual, 3.46 diff, 15mm rear swaybar, ALDA removed, no EGR and Amsoil by-pass oil filter. Currently 107HP and 195lb/ft of torque at the wheels.
www.youtube.com/Turbo617
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RE: Diesel and WVO - 11/2/2008 5:30:27 AM
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lwbrewer
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Forcedinduction you sure have a hard on against WVO. The goverment vebally stated the for personel use WVO is ok [low volume] You are not to sale it or use it in commercial vehicals unless you are a registered refiner and pay the road tax''s. You are legally allowed to have a still to make acohol to run in vehicals. The biggest problem with WVO is people get greedy, they don''t spend the time or the money to refine it properly. Home owners insurance, watch they may refuse to cover damages from fire if they find a garage used to make WVO. Claiming you were not insured correctly.
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RE: Diesel and WVO - 11/2/2008 10:07:08 AM
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ForcedInduction
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cycleboy is right, the government does not approve any use of WVO/SVO, you are confusing it with actual biodiesel.
WVO/SVO are not biodiesel.
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1980 240D 3.0VNT 222K Miles. OM617.95, GT2256V VNT turbo, 4-speed manual, 3.46 diff, 15mm rear swaybar, ALDA removed, no EGR and Amsoil by-pass oil filter. Currently 107HP and 195lb/ft of torque at the wheels.
www.youtube.com/Turbo617
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RE: Diesel and WVO - 11/3/2008 1:00:55 AM
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lwbrewer
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Note this is from cycleboys link: Raw vegetable oil or recycled greases (also called waste cooking oil) that have not been processed into esters are not biodiesel, and are not registered by EPA for legal use in vehicles.
Once you refine it then it has been processed Guidance document (PDF) (8 pp, 89K, EPA-420-F-07-19, October 2007, About PDF page 3
Biodiesel is a fuel made from plant or animal feedstocks, and may be used in conventional diesel engines. Biodiesel is comprised of specific chemical components defined by ASTM as "mono-alkyl esters of long chain fatty acids derived from vegetable oils or animal fats." In the United States, most biodiesel is made from soybean oil. However, canola oil, sunflower oil, recycled cooking oils, palm oil, animal fats, and other oils are also used as feedstocks.
Thats there wording not mine So WVO can be biodiesel. Not to say you can''t find were it''s illegal, but there''s loop holes that you can''t charge a crime for personel use.
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