RE: Ready for the draft?
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RE: Ready for the draft? - 12/15/2006 1:23:13 PM
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getting the boot may become a trend
I know thats what i do when it comes to my local elections if i see no progress in county roads or other things important to me Incumbants out and noobies in. If they can't get the job done lets try someone else!!!
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The government is too timid and the folks too sensitive. Rather, we have surveillance and general spying like a modern day Gestapo. Look at England. CCTV on every corner watching for littering. Is that where we are going? Is that Liberty? Is that what we are fighting for over seas?
I tend to agree.
Yeah i fogot to include that i agree with that earlier
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RE: Ready for the draft? - 12/15/2006 4:49:47 PM
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If the present new Democratic power structure allows that to continue... then I strongly suspect we are witnessing the fall of the USA as a major world
Basically.
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RE: Ready for the draft? - 12/15/2006 5:01:16 PM
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Welcome to "The United Socialist Disunity of American States".
Our motto: Where equality is funded by corporations.
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RE: Ready for the draft? - 12/16/2006 2:48:19 PM
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Charles Munn
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ORIGINAL: BikerDrew
Welcome to "The United Socialist Disunity of American States".
Our motto: Where equality is funded by corporations.
I was stationed in England in 1955 and then lived in France for a year. Some years later, I lived in Germany. Although my schoolboy French was atrocious, and my German little better, It was a jolting eye opener to actually read newspapers and hear newscasters who actually do their jobs without a political agenda....
After a couple of years, it became apparent that the USA is the most propaganderized country in the world...
In fact, we're so propagandorized that the once strong blue color middle class who once enjoyed the benifits of a good union, can now barely survive.... Yet, thanks to the Corporation/Republicans who are systematically reducing the bulk of them to a poverty level of existence, the same middle class still supports the Corporation and blames all of their woes on the high cost of welfare.
With that in mind,  while starkly understanding that you hate poets, etc... I echo the words of the Central American poet, John Oliver, " “¿No oyes caer las gotas de mi melancolía?” (“Can’t you hear the drops of my sadness falling?”)
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RE: Ready for the draft? - 12/17/2006 5:03:13 PM
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BikerDrew
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With that in mind, while starkly understanding that you hate poets, etc...
Hate? ...Where? Who? Stop projecting.
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RE: Ready for the draft? - 12/18/2006 2:22:43 PM
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Charles Munn
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With that in mind, while starkly understanding that you hate poets, etc...
Hate? ...Where? Who? Stop projecting.
Point taken. But projecting implies I hate poets/artist, so I automatically assume that you too must hate artist/poets... But that won't fly because for the last couple of decades I've earned a liviing as a painter, mostly portraits, but also sold a few hundred landscapes and abstracts, wrote a couple of books... Have always liked poetry.... and my favorite sport, even at this old age, is the fine art of boxing.. Still, maybe you don't hate poets or the arts... And previously in the "I like it" thread, merely made a point by implying that poets and artist are unproductive and you're just tired of having to support them.. Nah, maybe that's not hate... quote:
ORIGINAL: Biker Drew I can see the day when Arkology living will be the norm, single family homes will be taxed out of existence (except for the government class), individual transportation options will be highly taxed, citizens (if those exist anymore) will be herded into trains for the morning commute, socialism will "be good for us" and mosts folks will still have to bust our asses to pay for those who write poetry, paint pictures, sculpt bronze, still can't read or write, who just want to chill.
Funny though, a major difference between various humanlike creatures and modern humans/ homo sapians is that modern humans are artists/poets..That is, I strongly suspect the best of us, in any field of human endeavour are, in essence, artists/poets...
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RE: Ready for the draft? - 12/18/2006 5:29:20 PM
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You sound like a capitalist.
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RE: Ready for the draft? - 12/18/2006 10:49:24 PM
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Charles Munn
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You sound like a capitalist.
I am, but only in the Adam Smith/David Hume models...That is, I'm a lliberal capitalist. As you're probably aware, Smith, who is thought of as the father of capitalism, promoted the family business and the notion of moral responsibiltiy to its customers and to the community. Such ideas were the antitheses of the modern corporation. Yet many CEO's either haven't read Adam Smith, or merely choose to cherry pick his work while ignoring his basic premise.
Of course in some circles David Hume is known as the Small Business man's philosopher, but what I most admire about him is  his utter faulting of Descarte's notion that Man and Nature are forever separate. Yet neither Smith nor Hume were against a small business growing into a large one... as long as it didn't go public and devolve into a greed machine, and devoid of the artist/ poet within each of us......Which is to say, to devolve into The Corporation..
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RE: Ready for the draft? - 12/19/2006 9:53:54 AM
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...Man and Nature are forever separate.
I the west, we have separated our selfs from nature though our habitat ( acclimatized building practices, etc.) and social structures which tend to focus on the self and individual desires. To connect with nature, we must break out of the daily routine and seek the connection through sports, introspection and love, for example.
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Yet neither Smith nor Hume were against a small business growing into a large one... as long as it didn't go public and devolve into a greed machine, and devoid of the artist/ poet within each of us......Which is to say, to devolve into The Corporation..
Most corporations are public in the sense that participation is freely available to anyone who can pay the price of ownership. They are specifically created in such a way that a small investment makes ownership attractive. Corporate employees are forwarding the mission of the corp. by being creative and innovative, just look at the products they produce. In the USA, the service industry is the words largest and, per capita, we are the most generous. Yes, people (stock holders like you and me) are getting rich in the service of others. Corporate stewardship is another issue altogether.
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RE: Ready for the draft? - 12/20/2006 5:39:30 PM
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Charles Munn
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Stop cherry picking my statements. I did not say man and nature are forever separate. I said exactly the reverse. "David Hume is known as the Small Business man's philosopher, but what I most admire about him is his utter faulting of Descarte's notion that Man and Nature are forever separate."
Faulting means that David Hume proved Rene Descartes notion that Man and Nature are forever separate cannot and doesnot make any sense, Humankind is biological, an intricate part of nature. Therefore Man and Earth and Nature are made up of carbons which is the stuff of Suns. Therefore Man = Nature = Earth = Sun = The visible nondeterministic universe = Nature.
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