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Newbie here... - 6/4/2008 9:01:29 AM
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hotsoup
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Newbie here! Just wanted to say hi...
Barely learning more about diesel in the past couple of months. It was (still is) such a great invention, wasn't it?
I'm toying with the idea of getting a 240D/300D and running WVO. Let's me dig a little deeper here for more info.
Have a great day, guys.
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RE: Newbie here... - 6/4/2008 9:08:15 AM
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ForcedInduction
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The more info you need about WVO is: Don't. Its messy, its time consuming, its expensive, its destructive to the car and its illegal.
< Message edited by ForcedInduction -- 6/4/2008 9:09:16 AM >
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www.youtube.com/Turbo617
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RE: Newbie here... - 6/4/2008 9:34:03 AM
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Scuddog
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I too did some preliminary digging into WVO. It is definately not worth the hassle from what I have found. Forced Induction, the town next to mine has a pump that sells B5 Biodiesel. I believe that means that it is 5% Bio. Do you think that it's safe to run in my 240D? Thanks.
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RE: Newbie here... - 6/4/2008 9:37:51 AM
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ForcedInduction
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Biodiesel is great. It requires no modifications, its legal and its safe for your car/engine.
B2-B20 is great. B25 is the point of diminishing returns where you start to get reduced MPG but anything up to B100 is fine.
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1980 240D 3.0VNTi 216K Miles. OM617.95, GT2256V VNT turbo, 4-speed manual, Intercooler, 3.46 diff, 15mm rear swaybar, ALDA removed, no EGR and Amsoil by-pass oil filter. Currently 107HP and 195lb/ft of torque at the wheels.
www.youtube.com/Turbo617
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RE: Newbie here... - 6/4/2008 2:34:30 PM
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hotsoup
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How is it illegal? If you’re talking about road tax, it’s 18 cents a gallon here in CA. Keeping score of the usage and filing accordingly should take care of it. If you’re talking about storing BioD, I’ve read something about using filtered WVO w/ a fuel hating system, two-tank preferrably. I would assume, it wouldn’t run into any legal problems for storing hazardous materials, would I? Correct me if I’m mistaken. I’m a willing learner. \\;)<\\;br>\\;<\\;br>\\;Hey when you guys say WVO is messy, is it just the collecting and pumping? Anything else? I’m spending $200-250 a month. It is worth getting my hands dirty a few times a month?<\\;br>\\;<\\;br>\\;<\\;br>\\;
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RE: Newbie here... - 6/5/2008 2:07:41 AM
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ForcedInduction
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Taxes are not the problem in most states, the EPA is. SVO and WVO are not registered or approved to be used on public roads.
http://www.dieselearth.com/notebook/vegetable-oil-fuel-is-illegal.html
"alternative fuel systems must be approved by the EPA in passenger cars and light trucks before they can be used on-road."
"Biodiesel (also known as B100, B20, etc.), as opposed to pure vegetable oil, is approved for use in motor vehicles by the EPA."
"no one has applied for and been approved to sell a secondary fuel source conversion kit for vegetable oil."
http://online.wsj.com/article/S60823DAVIS.html
"Using straight vegetable oil (SVO) to power a car or truck is illegal. Because SVO hasn''''t been registered with the Environmental Protection Agency as a motor vehicle diesel fuel, its use violates EPA regulations, says EPA press officer Dave Ryan."
"National Biodiesel Board Director of Communications Jenna Higgins-Rose said that ordinary vegetable oil is not safe for use as fuel because it contains glycerin, which can clog diesel-engine parts."
"The EPA''''s Mr. Ryan said Golden Fuel may be subject to enforcement action, but declined to comment on whether action had been taken. Maximum penalties are $32,500 per violation if committed by a manufacturer or dealer or $2,750 per violation if committed by any other person."
""No manufacturers in recent memory have submitted a car for [emission standards] certification that runs on vegetable oil. If they did submit one, we would evaluate it to ensure it meets our standards," Mr. Ryan said."
Here is an e-mail I received directly from the EPA.
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From: Russo.Rebecca@epamail.epa.gov
Subject: Re: not sure if WVO/SVO is approved to be used as an on-road fuel
Date: December 31, 2007 10:22:01 AM MST
To: LNewcomb**@***.net
Cc: R8Eisc@epamail.epa.gov, Kimes.Jeffrey@epamail.epa.gov, Brogden.Rose@epamail.epa.gov
Hello Lance,
Thank you for your e-mail concerning using waste vegetable oil or straight vegetable oil as a fuel to power your diesel vehicle. Waste vegetable oil or straight vegetable oil cannot legally be used in vehicles. Raw vegetable oil or recycled greases (also called waste cooking oil) that have not been processed into esters are not biodiesel, and are not registered by EPA for legal use in vehicles. In addition, vehicles converted to use these oils would likely need to be certified by the EPA; to date EPA has not certified any conversions. These conversions may also violate the terms of the vehicle warranty. For more information on the certification process, please visit EPA''s Web site at: www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/dearmfr/cisd0602.pdf
Biodiesel (for example B20) is a great fueling option. You can find information on biodiesel at our website: http://www.epa.gov/smartway/growandgo/documents/factsheet-biodiesel.htm
Also, please find below a link to biodiesel.org and a fact sheet on the difference between biodiesel and vegetable oil. Using straight vegetable oil in your vehicle can harm your vehicle and negate your vehicle warranty.
http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/faqs/
If you have any further questions, please feel free to give me a call at 303-312-6757.
Rebecca Russo
EPA Region 8
Air Quality Planning & Management Unit
Ph: (303) 312-6757
< Message edited by ForcedInduction -- 6/5/2008 2:09:45 AM >
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1980 240D 3.0VNTi 216K Miles. OM617.95, GT2256V VNT turbo, 4-speed manual, Intercooler, 3.46 diff, 15mm rear swaybar, ALDA removed, no EGR and Amsoil by-pass oil filter. Currently 107HP and 195lb/ft of torque at the wheels.
www.youtube.com/Turbo617
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