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jkap
12/22/2005 2:54:18 AM
I have a stock set of headlamps, so i was wondering if i could buy xenon bulbs (H7) without a xenon kit in my car??
Justin
sleepwalker
12/22/2005 3:14:55 AM
you can buy the xenon bulb but it may not work if you were using halogen.
the prince
12/22/2005 3:29:57 AM
I HAVE FITTED ZENON BULBS AS A DIRECT REPLACEMENT TO HALOGEN WITH NO PROBLEMS AND A GREAT IMPROVEMENT IN LIGHT
sleepwalker
12/22/2005 7:30:41 AM
seems you answer your own question already.

A full Xenon lighting system consists of the following components:

* Xenon Light source, the bulb
* Ballast> halogen dont have this
* Igniter> halogen don't have this too
* Reflector
* Lens

All of these components are designed together to work as a system and meet Federal regulations.
Simply substituting a Xenon bulb for any other light source does not provide a legal headlamp beam pattern.

it needs 7,000 to 12,000 volts while the halogen can simply burn at 12 volts.

the halogen got two or three prongs connector while the xenon got round insulated pin. direct replacement is not possible.

you will need the whole kit and not just the bulb alone.

maybe i'm wrong for i never have attempted to plug a xenon lamp directly to 12 volts.

Lugnut
12/22/2005 9:31:58 AM
If you want xenon, get the kit. There's no way to substitute or cut corners. If it only cost the few dollars for a bulb, why do you think people spend hundreds, some thousands, of dollars to convert to HID?

Any bulb sold as xenon that fits a halogen housing is a cheap, blue-tinted halogen bulb and an HID wannabe that's a piece of crap. Don't waste your money. Moreover, anyone who thinks they can see better with these tinted halogen bulbs is sadly mistaken and needs to make an appointment with an opthamologist. Regular halogen bulbs throw much more light than these blue-tinted crap-o-bulbs. How do you think they get the bulbs to produce a particular tint, white or blue? They filter visible colors from the beam. That means the beams are dimmer. They have less light.
the prince
12/22/2005 10:09:20 AM
I HAVE FITTED GENUINE ZENON AS A DIRECT REPLACEMENT TO HALOGEN MADE BY OSRAM.
THEY ARE NOT BLUE TINTED HALOGEN.
THEY WORK VERY WELL.
THET PASS ALL BEAM TESTS.
C240AWD
12/22/2005 12:42:48 PM
So what is Zenon? Do you mean Xenon?
the prince
12/22/2005 12:58:53 PM
SORRY MY MISTAKE SHOULD READ XENON
fly_major_fly
12/22/2005 1:37:43 PM
Lug and Sleep are absolutely correct.

Prince has been fool'd by some cheap bulbs, and yet thought he could lecture us.

There may be bulbs out there, that have the exact shape of a halogen bulb but have xenon gas. No blue tint either. THAT DOES NOT MAKE THE WHOLE HEADLIGHT UNIT AN H.I.D.

The original thread-starter JKAP asked:
"I have a stock set of headlamps, so i was wondering if i could buy xenon bulbs (H7) without a xenon kit in my car?"
The answer is:
"No."

There are relatively white (H.I.D.-looking) Halogen bulbs out there that JKAP can buy. SilverStar is a good example.

But, again, one can never get a "plug-n-play" fashion halogen replacement H.I.D bulb. There is no such thing because they are different in design. Connectors and wiring are different, high voltage is involved, and the reflector is absolutely a whole new beast.

Some people think writing in caps makes their statement truthful. Ha...!
Lugnut
12/22/2005 1:50:13 PM
Your bulbs are halogen bulbs filled with xenon gas. It's a sales gimmick.
C280 wizard
12/22/2005 8:33:01 PM
Get Sylvania silver star H7 and you will see for miles and miles and miles, I have them for low beam H7, H1 for high beam and fogs, they don't dull after time like cheaper hologen bubls do.
tailspin808
12/22/2005 9:12:39 PM
Mercedes of Honolulu has done a swap for a C230 from standard lamps to HID. Customer brought all the components in from a wrecked car but didn't realize the computer also need to have the correct software to make them operate correctly. I happened to be at the parts counter (Still trying to fix my GPS problem LINK) and I ended up talking to a tech dealing with the HID car. Apparently, the car was in service for the 4th time trying to get the computer to recognize the HIDs so they will operate. Although one would think such a swap is simple, the techs seemed to think it was the equivalent of brain surgery.

BTW: Any 2005 and up C-Class owners have this problem? LINK Please tell me about it and how it was solved.
Lugnut
12/22/2005 9:49:26 PM
Sylvania Silverstars are halogen bulbs. If halogen bulbs "dull" over time, then that's what the Silverstars will do.
fly_major_fly
12/22/2005 10:08:35 PM
According to Sylvania's website, SilverStar will die much sooner than the standard halogen bulbs.

Sylvania clearly states that life expectancy of SilverStar is 150 hours.
Lugnut
12/22/2005 10:34:10 PM
I don't know what 150 hours translates to in terms of calendar time. They burn at a hotter temp than the run-of-the-mill halogens so they wear out faster.

quote:

From Sylvania's Site:

Q. What is the life expectancy of SilverStar?

A. The life expectancy of a SilverStar halogen light source is dependent on the driver’s use of the lights, which vary by season, time of day and number of miles driven. We estimate the SilverStar halogen lights to have a life span of up to one year under average driving conditions.


the prince
12/23/2005 3:34:58 AM
I AM NOT LECTURING ANYONE FLY BOY I, AM SIMPLY STATING WHAT I HAVE DONE AND THE EFFECT THAT THEY HAVE, BETTER LIGHT THAN HALOGEN AT AN ECONOMICAL COST. SO TAKE A CHILL PILL
Lugnut
12/23/2005 7:39:04 AM
No matter what you do or say, some people just can't see the light.
the prince
12/23/2005 9:38:40 AM
You're right there Lug
fly_major_fly
12/23/2005 12:38:10 PM
No more CAPS. Guess who took the chill pill?
the prince
12/23/2005 1:59:06 PM
Good man, keep on taking the tablets
bjhorton2005
7/7/2006 4:02:10 PM
lol you guys are silly, anyways I did once buy the halogen.. partial xenon gas filled light. It was alot better, but I think it was just because they slightly stepped up the wattage. I do beleive it was still safe, for wiring and stuff. They also did burn out alot quicker. No substitute for true H.I.D. though, they have a certain spectrum that reflects light back brilliantly.
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