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Lugnut
4/3/2006 8:48:48 AM
Bloomberg is an ass.
BikerDrew
4/3/2006 9:58:50 AM
Golf course owners will demand machines to replace the workers. Hey, wasn't Bill Murray white anyway.

Seriously, Ron Wydeman (OR senator), another narrow minded jerk, is on record for saying there will be no one to pick the vegi's and strawberrys. Another loser. I say empty the prisons and put them to work. Maybe I'm the jerk, Oh well.
BikerDrew
4/3/2006 10:04:33 AM
After 09/11/2001, I thought the only way to secure our country would be to pass everyone through a screening process. Anyone who has the right to be in the USA legally would be free to stay, the rest have to go. No exceptions.

Too extreme? When the next major incident happens and we discover how and who, you may not think so. We are at war, like it or not.
mbz300sdl
4/3/2006 11:40:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: BikerDrew
I say empty the prisons and put them to work. Maybe I'm the jerk, Oh well.


Exactly and pay them but then in turn make them pay for there meals in prision and after they get out make them pay for the rest of the bills they accumulated while they were locked up. Y should we pay for them?
Lugnut
4/3/2006 1:29:21 PM
You're aware of what's been happening in the Southwest and California, aren't you? Illegal aliens, at least from Mexico, aren't about to cooperate with American immigration laws, new or old. Hey. It's their "rights" we're messing with, or so they think.
Lugnut
4/3/2006 1:33:16 PM
I say keep the prisons but put them to work. I don't want all those animals let loose at once, not that they're all animals, but I mean all the animals that there are. There's a lot of that going on already. Most prisons have jobs for prisoners and pay them, except for the worst of the worst.
mbz300sdl
4/3/2006 2:12:37 PM
I know but i am saying make them pay the bill for housing and feeding them once they are release. U know give them the bill. So not only will they have to pay their "debt" to society but also their other debt to society. And take the money strait from there paychecks just like they do taxes.
Lugnut
4/3/2006 4:50:20 PM
It costs about $50K per year to keep a prisoner. Where are they going to get a job that pays them enough extra to pay off a bill like that and still allow them to support themselves? If you put an undo financial burden on them, they'll just commit crimes to get money. I'm not saying we should pamper them. I just wouldn't want to "force" them to go back to crime. They don't have a lot of choices when they're released. A few do, but not most.
mbz300sdl
4/3/2006 4:56:25 PM
Obviously there would have to be an amount that could be taken out of there pay check that would not adversely affect them but i think this would be a great crime deturent that even once ur our of jail it is still costing u something.
Lugnut
4/3/2006 5:06:18 PM
The only deterent to crime is getting caught. Nothing else works.
BikerDrew
4/3/2006 11:55:34 PM
Everything seems upside down. We are more worried about the rights of trespassers than those trespassed. They fly the Mexican flag ABOVE ours, on our land? That is an act of war! A Colorado school banned American flags being displayed because it offends Mexicans. Americans may take up arms against this invasion. Can you blam US?
Lugnut
4/4/2006 12:14:16 AM
Yeah, I don't understand how illegal aliens can come here and demand rights by demonstrating, and get away with it. It's really odd. They should be jailed and deported. But there are too many.

The Colorado school banned American AND Mexican flags. Mexican students were using the Mexican flag to protest the proposed immigration laws and the American students were using the American flag to protest against the Mexican students. Some violence broke out, so the principal banned all flags saying the students were exhibiting "misguided patriotism." [PUKE] Apparently, the principal believes it's the flags' fault.
BikerDrew
4/4/2006 12:19:35 AM
Silly American students actually showing love for their country in the face of our enemy. Shame on them! Next, He will force mandatory Spanish education for all non-Hispanics, so they can understand and sympathize with the invaders. I am going to buy more ammo.
Lugnut
4/4/2006 12:41:00 AM
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Next, He will force mandatory Spanish education for all non-Hispanics, so they can understand and sympathize with the invaders.


I think that was done years ago when being PC was becoming popular.
BikerDrew
4/5/2006 12:25:26 AM
For me, I have traveled extensively in Mexico and enjoyed meeting many people and learned a lot while traveling. But, I used as much spanish as I knew and learned a little more which was accepted by everyone I came in contact with. I see groups of prople LIVING in the USA expecting to live the same way they did in Mexico. That is just wrong. If they wanted to be USA citizens, they should act like it.
Lugnut
4/5/2006 12:32:40 AM
Yeah, Mexican children come to America to learn about Mexico and to keep Mexican traditions alive. Not providing this opportunity would be insensitive of Americans.
BikerDrew
4/5/2006 12:38:31 AM
All of us keep traditions of our heritage alive, we just all speak american english doing it.
Lugnut
4/5/2006 12:47:23 AM
Not in our schools we don't.
BikerDrew
4/5/2006 12:52:43 AM
What about St Patrick's day or halloween? Both were brought over from europe and kids still are able to share them in school around here.
Lugnut
4/5/2006 1:07:40 AM
I guess I misunderstood you?

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All of us keep traditions of our heritage alive, we just all speak american english doing it.


I thought you were saying we all speak American English all the time. That's not true in our schools. Students learn and speak their native language instead of English where there's a predominance of foreign students, legal or otherwise. English is often taught as a second language in these schools, even though there are American students who don't speak the foreign language.

Heck, then there's Ebonics.
BikerDrew
4/5/2006 9:38:40 PM
You hit my thoughts exactly. We give others the opportunity to assimilate in the USA though education. And yes, in multi language environments. What I see is people rejecting the opportunity to become Americans by taking advantage of this welcoming system. Grade school teachers are required to speak Spanish to teach in local schools even though full immersion English is a better way to learn any language.
MazdaCaddi
4/8/2006 2:06:32 PM
a lot of businesses in florida now require a person to speak spanish and english in order to be considered for hire.

this is according to my employer who spends several months a year there.

if ur gonna come to my country, learn the language and customs.

if i go to visit ur country, then i'll learn your language and customs. it's that simple.
Lugnut
4/8/2006 2:49:42 PM
Same in Georgia and I guess all the southern states along the border. People who speak Spanish have an advantage in getting service-related jobs or ones where you must interact with the public. Sorry, but it bugs me when I go somewhere in America to be served and I can't understand the person trying to serve me. I don't get ugly or anything, it just bugs me. In Highlands, NC, young slavic adults have begun to immigrate there and work at most of the service-related jobs. I spend a lot of time there, so I have to learn a new accent now. My limited Spanish is useless up there.

Good thing English-speaking Canadians just have a slightly weird accent, eh?
mbz300sdl
4/8/2006 2:58:02 PM
I look at it this way this is America we stole the land from the Indians, and got it other ways from everyone else. Ok we (English speakers) won so if i cant understand u its not my problem but urs and if i cant understand u i am not afraid to tell someone i cant understand them. The people in my area were ever they are from do however try hard to learn to speak english. But when i work at the icrean factory during the summer English probably about 50% of the people's there first language. So if i cant understand them i just keep saying what until i do if they get mad not my problem.
Lugnut
4/8/2006 3:17:46 PM
No one lives on land that wasn't "stolen" at one time or another. Humans are an aggressive and conquering type of creature and we've proven it many times in recorded history. We'll never be completely peaceful, unless we can force it down each other's throat. I'm not sure what your point is, since you didn't expand on it.

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... if i cant understand u i am not afraid to tell someone i cant understand them.


If you're at a service window and can't understand what the person is saying and you need their help, of course you tell them you can't understand them. What other choice do you have? There's no reason for either of you to get mad. Where does that get you?
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