Bush or Kerry? - Page 6

That really is weak. Here I'm trying to show Bush in a better light, and you come up with this crap. Nice to know how open-minded and nonpartisan you can be. And in case you're not aware, I'm a card carrying lifelong Republican who strongly objects to the current trend of religious zealots turning my party into an American version of Hamas.

It's not crap. It's history.

It's not weak. It's a very strong and revealing statement showing where Frankenkerry comes from and what his core beliefs are regarding his country and his fellow countrymen. Republicans didn't make him say or do these things.

You need to see a proctologist. Something has clogged your plumbing. Maybe it's the "card" you lost?

Or, are you whining about the Lady Ketchuphead pics? It's hard to tell, since all of you screeching moonbats sound the same to me.

You seem to think this election is about Kerry -- it isn't. He's just an unwitting participant in half the country's distaste for the incredibly bad behavior of the current administration. Elmer Fudd could run in his stead -- it wouldn't matter worth a hill of beans. Like I said -- weak, very weak...

Only a breathless lefthead would vote for Frankenkerry just to spite Dubya. Oh, wait! That would be you. Elmer Fudd would be a more intelligent choice.

Elmer Fudd would be a more intelligent choice than GW, and that's the point...

Then why are you voting for Frankenkerry? You act like child trying to lash out at the world because you can't get what you want. Your thought process is too simple and immature to vote. You should go play, little boy.

Every time you descend to name-calling rather than actually addressing issues (it's the one thing that seems to define your posts), I just hear "Waa! I want my mommy!"...

It doesn't offend me that GW Bush and Kerry get a "Buzz On" every once and awhile.

One quality I like about Bush is that he does what he says he is going to do. Cut inheritence taxes, Cut income taxes, Take the Teliban out of power. Take Hussein out of power, etc.

All Kerry does is make accusations. He looks like a lawyer. He acts like a lawyer. It is common knowledge that the problem with this country is that it is being run by lawyers. Well, guess what? Both Kerry and Edwards are lawyers!!!

http://usinfo.state.gov/dhr/democracy/elections/candidates_and_parties.html
After receiving a law degree from Boston College in 1976 he (Kerry) worked as an assistant district attorney and opened his own law practice.

In 1977 he (Edwards) received a law degree from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

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ORIGINAL: indy85_starion

One quality I like about Bush is that he does what he says he is going to do. Cut inheritence taxes, Cut income taxes, Take the Teliban out of power. Take Hussein out of power, etc.

Yes he essentially does what he says he'll do. It's when he tries to explain his actions that all the lies and deceptions start pouring out...

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All Kerry does is make accusations. He looks like a lawyer. He acts like a lawyer. It is common knowledge that the problem with this country is that it is being run by lawyers. Well, guess what? Both Kerry and Edwards are lawyers!!!

http://usinfo.state.gov/dhr/democracy/elections/candidates_and_parties.html
After receiving a law degree from Boston College in 1976 he (Kerry) worked as an assistant district attorney and opened his own law practice.

In 1977 he (Edwards) received a law degree from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

So you think that experts in U.S. and International law shouldn't play a role in the governance of this country? Perhaps maintenance engineers and basketball players are better qualified...

When you grow up, come back and we'll continue.

You can't take the lawyers out of government. Infact, lawyers are the government. If you removed all the lawyers from Washington, only the hotdog street vendors would be left.

You should direct your disdain for lawyers to those who file frivilous lawsuits. I would agree they are a huge problem in America today, but they aren't in the government. The government doesn't file frivilous lawsuits.

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When you grow up, come back and we'll continue.

Try Dreams of Empire if you want to attempt a beginning at leaving the ranks of the uninformed.

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ORIGINAL: Lugnut

You can't take the lawyers out of government. Infact, lawyers are the government. If you removed all the lawyers from Washington, only the hotdog street vendors would be left.

You should direct your disdain for lawyers to those who file frivilous lawsuits. I would agree they are a huge problem in America today, but they aren't in the government. The government doesn't file frivilous lawsuits.

Good points. I retract my statement about Lawyers being the problem with this country. I would love to see someone in Congress instigate some sort of "Tort Reform" bill, though.

Your intellectual midgetry underwhelms me.

The time has come for Tort reform. No doubt about it. But you need lawyers to do it and citizens to support it. Therein lies the paradox. You need lawyer and citizen support to stop a source of immense instant personal wealth for both... or greed, for short. It's a tough sell.

Mailed out my ballot last week......althought it probably won't mean anything in CA. sigh...

you mean... you vote already mio?

i thought was november.

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ORIGINAL: Lugnut

Your intellectual midgetry underwhelms me.

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I WOULDNT WANT KERRY TO RUN THE MILATARY FOR SURE!HE PROTESTED THE WAR IN NOM....THE ONLY THING HE CAN RUN IS HIS MOUTH..SORY BUSH GETS MY VOTE ,,,BUT I DONT VOTE! HAHA

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I DONT VOTE! HAHA

Well, God bless you then. This election is primarily about Iraq, and you mention Vietnam. Very appropriate really.

Bush's Tax Plan enacted in 2001 is working. Excellent article on explaining how Federal Income Tax Burden increased for top 1%, top 5%, top 10%, and top 20% income earners as a direct result of Bush's Cut in Tax Rates. Everyone pays less Federal income tax, and the top 20% pay a larger percentage of the total...
http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_...00408170858.asp

The report proves that what George W. Bush said about his tax cuts is absolutely positively true: “tax relief is for everyone who pays income taxes.”

It’s true for the rich and it’s true for the not-so-rich. Across 109.4 million tax-paying households — from the wealthiest 1 percent with incomes averaging over $1 million, to the lowest-earning quintile with incomes averaging $14.9 thousand — the report shows that all income classes have seen their income-tax rates lowered thanks to Bush’s tax cuts in 2001, 2002, and 2003.

The report also shows that Bush's tax cuts have been “progressive” — that is, they have shifted the share of the overall federal income-tax burden toward the wealthy, and away from lower-income earners. Without the Bush tax cuts, the highest-earning 20 percent of households this year would have paid 78.4 percent of all federal income taxes. Now, after the Bush tax cutes, their share of the burden has risen to 82.1 percent. Every other quintile now pays a smaller share of the total income-tax burden.

Here’s another simple table based on data from the CBO report. This one shows how the 2004 income-tax burden has shifted upward for the rich, and downward for everyone else.

2004 Federal Income Tax Burden
Income Class 2000 law Bush Tax Cuts Difference
----------------- ------------ ------------------ -------------
Bottom 20% -1.6% -2.7% -1.1%
Next 20% 1.5% -0.1% -1.6%
Middle 20% 6.5% 5.4% -1.0%
Next 20% 15.3% 15.2% -0.1%
Top 20% 78.4% 82.1% 3.8%

Top 10% 63.5% 66.7% 3.2%
Top 5% 51.4% 53.7% 2.3%
Top 1% 31.6% 32.3% 0.6%


What a brilliant victory for compassionate conservatism! Everybody gets an income-tax cut, and when it’s all done the rich end up paying proportionately more.

The report also shows that Bush managed to craft a tax-reduction package that even benefits the lowest-earning taxpayers who already pay what amount to negative income taxes. That’s right. Thanks to various refundable tax credits, before the Bush tax cuts the lowest-earning quintile not only paid no income taxes at all, they on average received money from the IRS. Under Bush’s tax cuts, as the first table above shows, they now receive even more money. Now that’s compassionate.

Are you new? I mean that's all pretty obvious -- no disagreement here. Bush simply followed the advice of Greenspan. Now, if Bush would just stop irresponsibly spending more money than is coming in, my kids might not have to spend their lives paying his debts.

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Bush simply followed the advice of Greenspan.

Bush's Tax Plan was a bit more involved than simply following Greenspan's advice. It had to be presented and passed thru both branches of Congress -- the House and Senate.

And contrary to the standard scare tactics that you may hear, such as:
http://www.senate.gov/~edwards/press/2003/0528c-pr.html
"Bush offers tax breaks for the wealthy..."
The bill the president signed is... tilted to favor the wealthy...

Reports from the Congressional Budget Office
http://www.cbo.gov/Index.cfm
shows that the new Bush Tax Plan is working very well.
It has lowered the Federal income tax rate for all five quintiles of income earners, while increasing the Federal income tax amount collected from the highest quintile (including the top 1% and top 5%).

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Now, if Bush would just stop irresponsibly spending more money than is coming in, my kids might not have to spend their lives paying his debts.

I expect my Federal income taxes to provide adequate funding for Infrastructure and National Defense. Administrations of the Democrat party, e.g. Carter and Clinton have historically made cuts in the budgets of National Defense. Administrations of the Republican part, e.g. Reagan have historically increased those budgets. I would rather error on the side of a strong National Defense.

Contrary to the standard scare tactics that you may hear, such as:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/07/election.main/
Kerry speaking...
"He (Bush) made a clear choice: To pass the bucks to the privileged while passing the buck to our children," said Kerry, the Democrats' presumptive presidential nominee. "Because of this president's decisions, a child born today will inherit at $20,000 debt -- a 'birth tax' that he or she had no part in creating."

Americans of all income brackets pay more than their fair share of Federal income taxes. Why is it that the candidates of the Democrat party always look for ways of increases taxes, while the candidates of the Republican party always look for ways of reducing Federal government spending?

I would post more links supporting these views... it is so obvious!!!

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This election is primarily about Iraq, and you mention Vietnam. Very appropriate really.

This election is primarily about terrorism. Vietnam is appropriate because Frankenkerry is running on his Vietnam service. Where ya been?

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... if Bush would just stop irresponsibly spending more money than is coming in...

Bush spends a bunch, but nothing like Frankenkerry would if he were president. Frankenkerry has the most liberal tax and spend record in the Senate. He would bring that paradigm to the White House and immediately raise taxes so he could spend more. Your kids will owe more because of Frankenkerry whether or not he becomes president. If you're looking for fiscal discipline, don't look to a Democrat that's left-of-center. Look to Elmer Fudd.

Uh -- I'm not sure who you think you're talking to. I've been a fiscal conservative Republican for longer than you've probably been alive. Are you familiar with the expression "preaching to the choir?"

BTW, is wasn't Dems that incurred our national debt. I've got bad news for you -- it's getting harder and harder to tell which Republicrat is which...